Keep reading those probate records

Keep reading through those probate records. Usually the reports from guardians just say how much money was received, from whom and the name of their ward. This guardian report listed in the probate records book actually gave a relationship for which I had been uncertain. It lists the ward, Wm W Jones as the GRANDSON of Peleg Rogers. I've been trying to find hard evidence of the relationship of my Elizabeth Jones (married to Willard C Town) to Wiley and Olive Rogers Jones and trying to connect Wiley Jones to other Jones' in the county and Olive to other Ro(d)gers in the county. Little pieces like this give me a few other clues. You never know where you might find something - read everything.

Kentucky, Probate Records, 1792-1977 Collection on familysearch.org

Lyon County Appraisals, Inventories, Sales, 1854-1870, Vol. 1

Page 645 (Image 376 of 379)

State of Kentucky County of Lyon

W J Rogers guardian of Wm W Jones a minor states that on this day he received a note against W H Harris dated the 15th day of January 1867 and due one day after date thereof for the sum of $23.18 for money due the said Wm W Jones from the estate of Peleg Rogers deceased the Grand Father of the said ward. No other estate due the said ward has been received by this affiant since his last report. That there will be a small amount coming to ward from the estate of Polly Rogers deceased, which when obtained will be duly reported. W J Rogers.

Sworn to and subscribed by W J Rogers before me this 19th day of June 1868

J W Clark Clerk

Teaching - No longer a respected profession

I graduated from college a long time ago. I received a BS in Math with enough hours to obtain a teaching certificate since we were moving overseas right after graduation and I knew I would need that certificate to find a job. I taught with the Department of Defense for a couple of years and then taught for a year in Georgia upon our return to the states. At that point I decided to go into the computer industry. I was a software engineer for 14 years. At that point we had 2 children and the travel in that industry became a burden for them, so I decided to stick my toe in the waters of the educational system again.

On a personal level, teaching would let me work the hours that my children attended school and have the same summer schedule for the convenience of the family. On a professional level, I had learned a LOT over those years that would be advantageous to my students. I was older; I was smarter; and I could tell them about the relationship between the real world applications and the math they were having to take. I taught for one year at a private school and then taught for 10 years at the local high school until our youngest (child number 3) graduated. For the next 5 years I played around with genealogy and taught at our local genealogical society, taking one job for 3 years (during that time) to assist an office in converting paper medical records to a digital system.

I then received a call to help out a city middle school for the second semester as they'd had a teacher retire at Christmas. I agreed. Realize, that our local school system is divided between a county system and a city system. My previous local teaching (10 years) had been in the county system. This new 5 month stint was in the city system.

The school in the city was an "optional" school, meaning that there is usually a waiting list of parents to get into the school. Half of the kids are part of the optional program and half are from the surrounding neighborhood. When I taught for the county, I thought I was a good teacher. My students tested well, participated in class and most went on to college.

When I taught at the city system, all my Honors Algebra kids passed the appropriate standardized tests but then there were the other things I couldn't "teach" for most of the other classes.

I had a student fall asleep in my class. It was near the end of the class, so when the bell rang, I had the rest of the class leave quietly, with the intention that I would confront and talk with the sleeping student privately. Another teacher and I woke him and found out that the reason he was sleeping was that he had been in the emergency room all night with his brother who had been shot in the face. How does a teacher fix that problem? How can teaching math even matter to a student with a problem like that?

In yesterday's newspaper, the city system is saying that they will pay teachers based on test scores, and the teacher's salary could vary from year to year and oh by the way, they may have to take away all health insurance too. A teacher cannot MAKE a child study for a test at home; a teacher cannot MAKE a child bring a pencil, book or paper to class. There may be no parent at home to reinforce what the student has been learning in class and there may be no money for pencils or paper. A teacher is usually in the profession because they want to help children and have a love for a particular subject area (in the case of high school teachers). We go through many years of education to learn to teach. Anyone in any profession should ask themselves how THEY would like to be paid based on the feedback of their patients or customers. What if police officers were paid based on the effectiveness of the prosecution of those they arrested? What if a fire fighter was paid based on the portion of a house that was saved from a fire? Notice how those things are based on things over which the worker has no control - just like the issues swirling around teaching.

My daughter is about to graduate with a masters degree. She had hoped to teach middle school social studies, but sees these things being discussed, along with good, experienced teachers being replaced with young, non-certified Teach For America kids (saves the district $$).

Teachers cannot fix the social issues surrounding the education system. A math teacher cannot teach Algebra to a student who has not taken the responsibility to learn the times tables in third grade, but WHY did that child not learn the times tables? It COULD have been that they had a "bad" teacher, but I would think that the child did not practice those tables at home (MY children did) because no one was home to make them do it. WHY did the school pass the child on to the next grade if they didn't achieve what was needed? There are too many questions and issues and not treating teachers with the respect they deserve is part of the problem.

One of my honors students received a B on a report card. Her mother was at the school the next day wanting her child removed from my class. Luckily they didn't let her move and that child worked harder in the next terms, coming in for help after school and was very pleased with herself when she scored well on the standardized test. The good thing was that she had a parent who cared, but the bad thing was that the parent immediately decided that it was a teacher problem and NOT her child that wasn't doing "A" work that caused the "B". My responsibility was to teach the subject and give the student the grade they had EARNED.

I have no answers. Teaching in the city system opened my eyes to problems faced by those students. I had not seen those problems in all my years of teaching with the county system. Those two systems are being combined within the next two years. I think it is the best thing for the students but I don't know how the needed changes can happen that will actually help these students. Academic achievement is SO intertwined with the social ills of their environment. The lack of respect for teachers in the community appears in the classroom every day as lack of respect from the students for the teacher. THERE is a good place to start.

Familysearch.org - I'm impressed

I've been perusing the Kentucky Probate records the last few days, following one of my families. I was branching out into counties surrounding Lyon, Caldwell, Livingston and Christian. I went to look for Trigg and noticed that Trigg county probate records had been overlooked/dropped.....? I took a minute to send an email to let the familysearch.org folks know that they had left out Trigg county. I want you to know how pleasantly surprised I was to receive an actual response within a couple of days, not only telling me that they had replicated my problem/statement and they would let their engineering group know, but they also took the time to find Trigg on their wiki - AND send me the link - AND to find Trigg in their catalog - AND send me the link with the suggestion that I could order those probate records from the family history center. I've never received such a thorough and pleasant response from a support group - ever. Thank you familysearch.

I hope all of you take the time to let posters of data know if something is wrong - I'm one of those that sends corrections to ancestry.com when Wilson has been indexed as Hilson (or whatever the error) so that the next person will be able to find these folks too.

Just my thought for the day.

Emancipation of Cyrus White

I was reading through the Caldwell County Probate records (around 1848) trying to see if there was more enlightening information to help with one of my brick walls (Crittenden Armstrong) and I found this gem that I know would be wonderful for someone to find in their genealogical research:

Monday Sept 18, 1848; Caldwell County KY; Kentucky probate records 1792-1977; Order books, 1846-1850 Vol II; on family search.org site. [ note from Debbie: image #130 of 217 in this series]

[note from Debbie: in amongst all the guardian notices and road surveys, I found this entry]:

Monday Sept 18th, 1848

This day a deed of emancipation was produced in open court and acknowlel'd by Peggy Smith liberating her husband Cyrus White, of yellow complexion about 5 feet 10 inches high, rather spare made & about 46 years of age.

Response to Geneameme

My response to the Geneameme from Jill Ball at: http://geniaus.blogspot.com/

The list should be annotated in the following manner:
Things you have already done or found: bold face type
Things you would like to do or find: italicize (colour optional)
Things you haven’t done or found and don’t care to: plain type
You are encouraged to add extra comments in brackets after each item

Which of these apply to you?

1. Can name my 16 great-great-grandparents [yes, and then the brickwalls start after that]

2. Can name over 50 direct ancestors [yes]

3. Have photographs or portraits of my 8 great-grandparents

4. Have an ancestor who was married more than three times

5. Have an ancestor who was a bigamist

6. Met all four of my grandparents [yes, but met one at age one, so no memory of it.]

7. Met one or more of my great-grandparents

8. Named a child after an ancestor [game him my maiden name as middle name – does that count?]

9. Bear an ancestor's given name/s

10. Have an ancestor from Great Britain or Ireland [both]

11. Have an ancestor from Asia

12. Have an ancestor from Continental Europe [yes]

13. Have an ancestor from Africa [don’t we all? not in recent genealogical history though – mtDNA]

14. Have an ancestor who was an agricultural labourer [Virginia & Kentucky tobacco farmers]

15. Have an ancestor who had large land holdings [Kentucky & Virginia]

16. Have an ancestor who was a holy man – minister, priest, rabbi [preacher]

17. Have an ancestor who was a midwife

18. Have an ancestor who was an author

19. Have an ancestor with the surname Smith, Murphy or Jones [ oh yes]

20. Have an ancestor with the surname Wong, Kim, Suzuki or Ng

21. Have an ancestor with a surname beginning with X

22. Have an ancestor with a forename beginning with Z [Zachariah & on with middle name Zara]

23. Have an ancestor born on 25th December

24. Have an ancestor born on New Year's Day

25. Have blue blood in your family lines

26. Have a parent who was born in a country different from my country of birth

27. Have a grandparent who was born in a country different from my country of birth

28. Can trace a direct family line back to the eighteenth century [ yes]

29. Can trace a direct family line back to the seventeenth century or earlier [ yes, my Salem witch family]

30. Have seen copies of the signatures of some of my great-grandparents [yes]

31. Have ancestors who signed their marriage certificate with an X

32. Have a grandparent or earlier ancestor who went to university

33. Have an ancestor who was convicted of a criminal offence [Salem witches gggggg aunts; not direct]

34. Have an ancestor who was a victim of crime [ again, Salem witches – this was actually crime against THEM]

35. Have shared an ancestor's story online or in a magazine (Tell us where) [blog & website:

http://www.nhalaw.com/debbie/ and http://debs-midlife.blogspot.com/

36. Have published a family history online or in print (Details please)

http://www.nhalaw.com/debbie/

37. Have visited an ancestor's home from the 19th or earlier centuries

38. Still have an ancestor's home from the 19th or earlier centuries in the family

39. Have a family bible from the 19th Century

40. Have a pre-19th century family bible